Religious Right, right?

[mindido]

Found an interesting article on the differences between Europeans and Americans regarding nudity:

http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/editorials/2005-08-24-censorship_x.htm

The author, Rick Steves, is the host of a show on PBS about travel. Apparently some stations that play his show are now having to put a "for mature audiences only" disclaimer in front of it. Apparently they're having to put a fig leaf in front of Michaelangelo's "David" as well as other classic artworks.

 

[moxdevil]

We in the UK are a little more restrained than the Europeans, still we do like our bra adverts and frequently have naked women (and recently men :vomit: ) advertising shampoo and creams during the day.

Last year i was pretty surprised to find that the Greeks have a lot of erotic movies on late at night on their tv, it was like watching German tv. This in a country where the Orthodox church is prominant.

I think everyone from the outside were pretty surprised by the reaction to the Super Bowl incident. Our impression of the American reaction was 'jeez it's only a boob slip why they making such a big fuss?'

 

[Duke E. Pyle]

I have to admit that it actually shocked me pretty hard. Only because it was Janet. 3 people in the room said "holy shit did you see that"? at the same time. If it had been a cheerleader it wouldn't have been anything. Who would have known we'd see her cooter a couple of months later. If it shocked me like that, i know it must have been the largest pre-teen simultaneous masterbastion occurance in the history of all the planet earth. I figure that was the reason for the exaggerated reaction.

 

[mindido]

It seems there are political ramifications for Kansas School Board members that supported the anti-evolution agenda:

http://archives.cnn.com/2000/US/08/02/kansas.evolution.01/

 

[mindido]

There must be something in the water in Kansas. Seems that,

"Members of a church say God is punishing American soldiers for defending a country that harbors gays, and they brought their anti-gay message to the funerals Saturday of two Tennessee soldiers killed in Iraq."

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20050828/ap_on_re_us/soldier_funeral_protests

Where in the heck are these loons coming from?

 

[moxdevil]

There must be something in the water in Kansas. Seems that,

"Members of a church say God is punishing American soldiers for defending a country that harbors gays, and they brought their anti-gay message to the funerals Saturday of two Tennessee soldiers killed in Iraq."

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20050828/ap_on_re_us/soldier_funeral_protests

Where in the heck are these loons coming from?

I've come across mention of him and his brood quite often on the net. He has a website that expresses his enlightened views http://www.godhatesfags.com/ needless to say the url gives it away. Don't know whether he is genuinely religious or uses it to express and attempt to validate his views on homosexuality. What is certain is that he is a moron of the highest order. Pity people like him can't take up the 'Intelligent falling' challenge and jump off a cliff.

 

[mindido]

Mox,

"Pity people like him can't take up the 'Intelligent falling' challenge and jump off a cliff."

Jeez, I'd really like to see that. Maybe they could raise some funds for their cause

 

[mindido]

Thought this was pretty funny. Seems some woman showed up at an auto dealership saying that god had commanded her to go to the dealership and get a free car!

http://www.churchofcriticalthinking.com/archives/000067let_my_lincoln_go.html

Jeez, if that works, I want one too.

 

[moxdevil]

"...never appeared to be under the influence of drugs or alcohol." No she was under the influence of religion, a far more potent and delusion-creating devise.

I've been away from it all so i've missed basically everything that's happened in the past 3 weeks, but am i right in thinking that Sec. of State C. Rice came out with the proactive statement, 'The lord jesus christ is going to come on time. If we just wait.' in regard to the suffering caused by the hurricane and its destruction of New Orleans?

Is every member of the US administration a flake?

Lets all gather round hold a candle each and pray that it all goes away, or has the chimp in the white house already offered this highly constructive advise?

 

[mindido]

mox, been wondering where you were,

"am i right in thinking that Sec. of State C. Rice came out with the proactive statement, 'The lord jesus christ is going to come on time. If we just wait.'"

Haven't heard that one but it wouldn't surprise me. You have missed a lot of good stuff though. I heard some clown the other night (sorry I don't have a reference) say that Katrina wasn't an "act of god" but "an act of nature". Duh! But the zealots have been all over the map on these hurricanes. Not one agreeing with another. Its been pretty fun to watch.

 

[moxdevil]

Couple of informative articles-

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9452500/

First 'real' court challenge to ID-

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9444600/

"...the trial that opens Monday is believed to be the first time a federal court has been asked to decide the fundamental question: Is intelligent design religion or science?"

Should be interesting, though "The school board is being defended pro bono by the Thomas More Law Center, a Christian law firm in Ann Arbor, Mich." Wouldn't this alone point to what ID is?

"The case is being heard without a jury in Harrisburg by U.S. District Judge John Jones III, whom President Bush appointed to the bench in 2002." Don't know if this should worry science advocates or not? :neutral:

On Katrina and Rita- you have to laugh when some people (intellectually-challenged religious bumpkins) are still making the same argument that was used for the "the collapse of the Roman Empire', 'the viking invasions', 'the Lisbon earthquake', and countless other ridiculous examples. :nuts:

 

[moxdevil]

81 arguments for the existence of god-

1. TRANSCENDENTAL ARGUMENT

(1) God exists.
(2) If God exists, then if reason exists then God exists.
(3) Reason exists.
(4) Therefore, God exists.


2. COSMOLOGICAL ARGUMENT

(1) If I say something must have a cause, it has a cause.
(2) I say the universe must have a cause.
(3) Therefore, the universe has a cause.
(4) Therefore, God exists.


3. ONTOLOGICAL ARGUMENT (I)

(1) I define God to be X.
(2) Since I can conceive of X, X must exist.
(3) Therefore, God exists.


4. ONTOLOGICAL ARGUMENT (II)

(1) God exists.
(2) Since God exists, God must be perfect.
(3) That which is perfect must exist.
(4) Therefore, God exists.

5. MODAL ONTOLOGICAL ARGUMENT

(1) God exists.
(2) God, existing, is either necessary or unnecessary.
(3) God is not unnecessary, therefore God must be necessary.
(4) Therefore, God exists.


6. TELEOLOGICAL ARGUMENT

(1) Check out that tree. Isn't it pretty?
(2) Therefore, God exists.


7. ARGUMENT FROM MIRACLES

(1) My aunt Helen was most likely to die from cancer.
(2) She didn't.
(3) Therefore, God exists.


8. MORAL ARGUMENT (I)

(1) Person X, a well-known atheist, was morally inferior to the rest
of us.
(2) Therefore, God exists.


9. MORAL ARGUMENT (II)

(1) In my younger days I was a cursing, drinking, smoking, gambling,
child-molesting, thieving, murdering, bed-wetting bastard.
(2) That all changed once I became religious.
(3) Therefore, God exists.


10. ARGUMENT FROM CREATION

(1) If evolution is false, then creationism is true, and therefore God
exists.
(2) Evolution can't be true, since I lack the mental capacity to
understand it; moreover, to accept its truth would cause me to be
uncomfortable
(3) Therefore, God exists.


11. ARGUMENT FROM FEAR

(1) If there is no God then we're all going to die.
(2) Therefore, God exists.


12. ARGUMENT FROM THE BIBLE

(1) [arbitrary passage from OT]
(2) [arbitrary passage from NT]
(3) Therefore, God exists.


13. ARGUMENT FROM INTELLIGENCE
(1) Look, there's really no point in me trying to explain the whole
thing to you stupid atheists -- it's too complicated for you to
understand. God exists whether you like it or not.
(2) Therefore, God exists.


14. ARGUMENT FROM UNINTELLIGENCE

(1) Okay, I don't pretend to be as intelligent as you guys -- you're
obviously very well read. But I read the Bible, and nothing you say
can convince me that God does not exist. I feel him in my heart, and
you can feel him too, if you'll just ask him into your life. "For God
so loved the world that he sent his only begotten son into the world,
that whosoever believes in him shall not perish from the earth" John
3:16.
(2) Therefore, God exists.


15. ARGUMENT FROM BELIEF

(1) If God exists, then I should believe in Him.
(2) I believe in God.
(3) Therefore, God exists.


16. ARGUMENT FROM INTIMIDATION

(1) See this bonfire?
(2) Therefore, God exists.


17. PARENTAL ARGUMENT

(1) My mommy and daddy told me that God exists.
(2) Therefore, God exists.


18. ARGUMENT FROM NUMBERS

(1) Millions and millions of people believe in God.
(2) They can't all be wrong, can they?
(3) Therefore, God exists.


19. ARGUMENT FROM ABSURDITY

(1) Maranathra!
(2) Therefore, God exists.


20. ARGUMENT FROM ECONOMY

(1) God exists, you bastards!
(2) Therefore, God exists.


21. BOATWRIGHT'S ARGUMENT

(1) Ha ha ha.
(2) Therefore, God exists.


22. DORE'S ARGUMENT

(1) I forgot to take my meds.
(2) Therefore, I AM CHRIST!!
(3) Therefore, God exists.


23. ARGUMENT FROM GUITAR MASTERY

(1) Eric Clapton is God.
(2) Therefore, God exists.


24. ARGUMENT FROM INTERNET AUTHORITY

(1) There is a website that successfully argues for the existence of God.
(2) Here is the URL.
(3) Therefore, God exists.


25. ARGUMENT FROM INCOMPREHENSIBILITY

(1) Flabble glurk zoom boink blubba snurgleschnortz ping!
(2) No one has ever refuted (1).
(3) Therefore, God exists.


26. ARGUMENT FROM AMERICAN EVANGELISM

(1) Telling people that God exists makes me filthy rich.
(2) Therefore, God exists.


27. MITCHELL'S ARGUMENT

(1) The Christian God exists.
(2) Therefore, all worldviews which don't assume the Christian God's existence are false and incomprehensible.
(3) Therefore, God exists.


28. ARGUMENT FROM BLINDNESS (I)

(1) Atheists are spiritually blind.
(2) Therefore, God exists.


29. ARGUMENT FROM BLINDNESS (II)

(1) God is love.
(2) Love is blind.
(3) Ray Charles is blind.
(4) Therefore, Ray Charles is God.
(5) Therefore, God exists.


30. ARGUMENT FROM FALLIBILITY

(1) Human reasoning is inherently flawed.
(2) Therefore, there is no reasonable way to challenge a proposition.
(3) I propose that God exists.
(4) Therefore, God exists.


31. ARGUMENT FROM SMUGNESS

(1) God exists.
(2) I don't give a crap whether you believe it or not; I have better things to do than to try to convince you morons.
(3) Therefore, God exists.


32. ARGUMENT FROM META-SMUGNESS

(1) Fuck you.
(2) Therefore, God exists.


33. ARGUMENT FROM MANIFESTATIONS

(1) If you turn your head sideways and squint a little, you can see an image of a bearded face in that tortilla.
(2) Therefore, God exists.


34. SLATHER'S ARGUMENT

(1) My toaster is God.
(2) Therefore, God exists.


35. ARGUMENT FROM INCOMPLETE DEVASTATION

(1) A plane crashed killing 143 passengers and crew.
(2) But one child survived with only third-degree burns.
(3) Therefore, God exists.


36. ARGUMENT FROM POSSIBLE WORLDS

(1) If things had been different, then things would be different.
(2) That would be bad.
(3) Therefore, God exists.


37. ARGUMENT FROM SHEER WILL

(1) I DO believe in God! I DO believe in God! I do I do I do I DO believe in God!
(2) Therefore, God exists.


38. ARGUMENT FROM NONBELIEF

(1) The majority of the world's population are nonbelievers in Christianity.
(2) This is just what Satan intended.
(3) Therefore, God exists.


39. ARGUMENT FROM POST-DEATH EXPERIENCE

(1) Person X died an atheist.
(2) He now realizes his mistake.
(3) Therefore, God exists.


40. ARGUMENT FROM EMOTIONAL BLACKMAIL

(1) God loves you.
(2) How could you be so heartless to not believe in him?
(3) Therefore, God exists.


41. ARGUMENT FROM INCOHERENT BABBLE

(1) See that person spazzing on the church floor babbling incoherently?
(2) That's how infinite wisdom reveals itself.
(3) Therefore, God exists.


42. OPRAH'S ARGUMENT (I)

(1) The human spirit exists.
(2) Therefore, God exists.


43. OPRAH'S ARGUMENT (II)

(1) Check out this video segment.
(2) Now how can anyone watch that and NOT believe in God?
(3) Therefore, God exists.


44. CALVINISTIC ARGUMENT

(1) If God exists, then he will let me watch you be tortured forever.
(2) I rather like that idea.
(3) Therefore, God exists.


45. ARGUMENT FROM CROCKERY

(1) Pots don't go around giving orders to the potter.
(2) Therefore, God exists.


46. ARGUMENT FROM MASS PRODUCTION

(1) Barbie dolls were created.
(2) If Barbie dolls were created, then so were trees.
(3) Therefore, God exists.


47. ARGUMENT FROM PAROCHIALISM

(1) God is everywhere.
(2) We haven't been everywhere to prove he's not there.
(3) Therefore, God exists.


48. ARGUMENT FROM UPPERCASE ASSERTION

(1) GOD EXISTS! GET USED TO IT!
(2) Therefore, God exists.


49. ARGUMENT FROM INFINITE REGRESS

(1) Ask atheists what caused the Big Bang.
(2) Regardless of their answer, ask how they know this.
(3) Continue process until the atheist admits he doesn't know the answer to one of your questions.
(4) You win!
(5) Therefore, God exists.


50. ARGUMENT FROM INCREDULITY

(1) How could God NOT exist, you bozo?
(2) Therefore, God exists.


51. ARGUMENT FROM HISTORY

(1) The Bible is true.
(2) Therefore, the Bible is historical fact.
(3) Therefore, God exists.


52. ARGUMENT FROM RESURRECTION

(1) Proof of God's existence will be available when you rise bodily from your grave.
(2) Therefore, God exists.


53. ARGUMENT FROM BIOGENESIS

(1) Where did Adam come from, dummy?
(2) Therefore, God exists.


54. ARGUMENT FROM STEADFAST FAITH

(1) A lot of really cool people believed in God their entire lives.
(2) Therefore, God exists.


55. ARGUMENT FROM LONELINESS

(1) Christians say that Jesus is their best friend.
(2) I'm lonely, and I want a best friend.
(3) Therefore, God exists.


56. ARGUMENT FROM ARGUMENTATION

(1) God exists.
(2) [atheist's counterargument]
(3) Yes he does.
(4) [atheist's counterargument]
(5) Yes he does!
(6) [atheist's counterargument]
(7) YES HE DOES!!!
(8) [atheist gives up and goes home]
(9) Therefore, God exists.


57. ARGUMENT FROM CREATIVE INTERPRETATION

(1) God is:
(a) The feeling you have when you look at a newborn baby.
(b) The love of a mother for her child.
(c) That little still voice in your heart.
(d) Humankind's potential to overcome their difficulties.
(e) How I feel when I look at a sunset.
(f) The taste of ice cream on a hot day.
(2) Therefore, God exists.


58. ARGUMENT FROM INSECURITY

(1) We have gone to absolutely berserk lengths to establish that atheists are laughable morons.
(1.5) Actually, we did so in the hopes of curing our own insecurities about theism -- but there's no chance in hell we'll ever admit that.
(2) Therefore, atheists are laughable morons.
(3) Therefore, God exists.


59. ARGUMENT FROM SUPERIORITY

(1) If God does not exist, then I am an inferior being, since I am not "special" in a cosmic sense.
(2) But I am superior. Because I am a Christian.
(3) Therefore, God exists.


60. ARGUMENT FROM PERFECTION

(1) If there are absolute moral standards, then God exists.
(2) Atheists say that there are no absolute moral standards.
(3) But that's because they don't want to admit to being sinners.
(4) Therefore, there are absolute moral standards.
(5) Therefore, God exists.


61. ARGUMENT FROM HUMAN NECESSITY

(1) Atheists say that they don't need God.
(2) Which just goes to show that they need God.
(3) Therefore, God exists.


62. ARGUMENT FROM HIDDEN LOGIC (I)

(1) Intellectually, I know that the existence of God is impossible, or vastly improbable.
(2) But I must put on the appearance of being cool and intellectual in front of my Christian apologist peers.
(3) Therefore, I must pretend that (1) is false.
(4) Therefore, God exists.


63. ARGUMENT FROM INDULGENCE

(1) Atheists like to think that they can control their emotional desires.
(2) But they're atheists, so they can't.
(3) Therefore, atheists feel the need to indulge in whatever they feel like without worrying about committing sin.
(4) This just goes to show how they need God in their lives.
(5) Therefore, God exists.


64. ARGUMENT FROM HATE

(1) Some atheists hate Christians and Christianity.
(2) That's why they don't believe in God.
(3) Pathetic, aren't they?
(4) Therefore, God exists.


65. ARGUMENT FROM QUENTIN SMITH

(1) Quentin Smith says that God does not exist.
(2) But God does exist.
(3) Therefore, Quentin Smith cannot be accepted as an expert on the matter, because he is wrong.
(4) Therefore, God exists.


66. ARGUMENT FROM EVIL SPIRITS

(1) I've just had contact with evil spirits.
(2) Therefore, God exists.


67. ARGUMENT FROM HIDDEN LOGIC (II)

(1) Atheists say that God doesn't exist.
(2) But they only say that because they want to look cool and intellectual in front of their peers.
(3) They don't fool me!
(4) Therefore, God exists.


68. ARGUMENT FROM HOVIND'S CHALLENGE

(1) Kent Hovind offers \$250,000 (which may or may not exist) to anyone who can demonstrate evolution (defined as a natural, acausal origin of the universe) to a reasonable doubt (meaning with 100% certainty, allowing for no other possibilities whatsoever) in front of a neutral committee (handpicked by Hovind himself) and according to certain criteria (carefully worded so as to rule out any possibility whatsoever of the challenge ever being met).
(2) No atheist has ever met this challenge.
(3)Therefore, God exists.


69. ARGUMENT FROM INSANITY

(1) No sane person could have thought up Christianity
(2) Therefore, it must be true
(3) Therefore, God exists


70. ARGUMENT FROM EXHAUSTION (abridged)

1) Do you agree with the utterly trivial proposition X?
2) Atheist: of course.
3) How about the slightly modified proposition X'?
4) Atheist: Um, no, not really.
5) Good. Since we agree, how about Y? Is that true?
6) Atheist: No! And I didn't agree with X'!
7) With the truths of these clearly established, surely you agree that Z is true as well?
8) Atheist: No. So far I have only agreed with X! Where is this going, anyway?
9) I'm glad we all agree.....
....
37) So now we have used propositions X, X', Y, Y', Z, Z', P, P', Q and Q' to arrive at the obviously valid point R. Agreed?
38) Atheist: Like I said, so far I've only agreed with X. Where is this going?
....
81) So we now conclude from this that propositions L'', L''' and J'' are true. Agreed?
82) I HAVEN'T AGREED WITH ANYTHING YOU'VE SAID SINCE X! WHERE IS THIS GOING!?
....
177) ...and it follows that proposition HRV, SHQ'' and BTU' are all obviously valid. Agreed?
178) [Atheist either faints from overwork or leaves in disgust]
179) Therefore, God exists.


71. MR. GOODSALT'S ARGUMENT (ARGUMENT FROM GENERAL INQUIRY)

1) Question for atheist population: [apparently random question]
2) Your answer is wrong.
3) Therefore, God exists.


72. PEACOCK ARGUMENT FROM ORIGINALITY

1) I have written the following to demonstrate the existence of God.
2) [insert entire text of a William Lane Craig article]
3) Therefore, God exists.


73. PEACOCK ARGUMENT FROM LIMITED VOCABULARY

1) You use lots of big words.
2) Therefore, I cannot possibly be expected to understand your refutation of my position.
3) Therefore, God exists.


74. PEACOCK ARGUMENT FROM SELECTIVE MEMORY

1) [Christian asks "stumper" question]
2) [Atheist answers question]
3) [A lapse of time]
4) [Christian repeats question]
5) [Atheist repeats answer]
6) [A lapse of time]
7) [Christian repeats question]
8) [Atheist repeats answer]
9) [A lapse of time]
10) Atheist, you never answered my question.
11) Therefore, God exists.


75. ARGUMENT FROM DIVINE ECONOMICS

1) Protestant Christian nations are rich.
2) Therefore, God exists.


76. ARGUMENT FROM PERSONAL SANITY

1) I've had religious experiences that can't be explained unless I'm insane or God exists.
2) Therefore, God exists.


77. ARGUMENT FROM INSTITUTIONAL LONGETIVITY

1) The Roman Catholic Church has been around for a long time.
2) Therefore, God exists.


78. ARGUMENT FROM INEVITABILITY

1) I have proof that God exists.
2) I won't bother to tell you what it is because, being atheists, you would be hostile to the conclusion anyway.
3) Therefore, God exists.


79. ARGUMENT FROM "THE MATRIX"

1) We cannot prove that we don't live in a Matrix-like world.
2) Therefore we cannot know reality.
3) If reality is contingent, then everything is possible.
4) Therefore, God exists.


80. ARGUMENT FROM SUBJECTIVITY

1) Everything is subjective.
2) No subjective proof can be superior to any other subjective proof.
3) Based upon my subjective opinion, your opinion, that if everything is subjective then, perforce, God is subjective, is false.
4) Therefore, God (objectively) exists.


81. ARGUMENT FROM POSTMODERNISM

1) I'm going to prove to you that God exists.
2) [insert any of the other arguments on this page in here]
3) [atheist refutes argument]
4) I cannot prove there is a God anymore than anyone of us can prove we really exist in a tangible world.
5) Therefore, God exists.

 

[OFFicerJACK]

81 arguments for the existence of God

Another view of #10 ARGUMENT FROM CREATION:

Evolution isn't necessarily false but it's not defined for the beginning or the end. I explain mathematically:

Definitions:
Evolution = multiplication and division, cells multiply by dividing (I know, old joke but true.)
Creation = addition and subtraction.
Zero = The Void - Absolute Nothingness, no galaxies, no solar systems, no black holes, no planets, no electrons, no quarks, no energy, no vacuum, nothing. "That Which Does Not Exist". The Void exists as a concept in both Science and Theology.
Infinity = everything that could ever be.

Hypothesis:
You can't multiply any number times 0 and get anything but 0. Zero times any number is still Zero. Add any number to 0, even 1^(-1million), and you can multiply it by any number and get another number. For example, when you multiply 1 times 5, 1 EVOLVES into 5. You can't divide any number by another and get 0. Of course you can then subtract 5 and get Zero, but that's not Evolution, that's Creation. On the other end of the scale, there is no need for Evolution if there exists everything that could ever be. This proves that Evolution isn't defined at the calculus limits of Zero and Infinity. (Zero is the inverse of Infinity). Therefore you need Creation before there is Evolution.

Conclusion:
Evolution as defined is a subset of Creation.

Therefore God exists.

 

[mindido]

Jeez,

Any wonder why we have such an idiot as President. God told him to invade Iraq:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/2005100...OAAqA2s0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTA3ODdxdHBhBHNlYwM5NjQ-

Hey, can any of our British members make a copy and post it here? I'd like to see this.

 

[moxdevil]

What's it like having a leader who is only slightly less nutty than Charles Manson? :nuts:

I'm going to watch it, haven't got the technology though to put it on the net. There might be clips on the BBC website or one of the related sites after its aired.

 

[Preferred User]

Hey, can any of our British members make a copy and post it here? I'd like to see this.

It's also on CNN, it's everywhere.

What's it like having a leader who is only slightly less nutty than Charles Manson?

Embarrassing. And it gets worse. This from the Wash Post:

"A Republican strategist involved in the front lines of the battle for the Miers nomination, who asked to not be named because he is not authorized to speak publicly, said the White House plans to regain the upper hand by focusing on the nominee's conversion to evangelical Christianity."

And I thought we were fighting religious fundamentalism. Apparently its a good thing......

 

[moxdevil]

[/QUOTE] Originally Posted by Preferred User
"A Republican strategist involved in the front lines of the battle for the Miers nomination, who asked to not be named because he is not authorized to speak publicly, said the White House plans to regain the upper hand by focusing on the nominee's conversion to evangelical Christianity."

And I thought we were fighting religious fundamentalism. Apparently its a good thing......[/QUOTE]

It'll please the god-fearers. It’s almost as if what a candidate stands for other than their religious beliefs is irrelevant. Just as long as they’re an outed god-fearing Christian, that’s all that matters.

 

[mindido]

Preferred,

"And I thought we were fighting religious fundamentalism. Apparently its a good thing....."

I guess it depends on what type of fundamentalist you are. Christian or Muslim. Damn Hypocrites!

Mox,

"What's it like having a leader who is only slightly less nutty than Charles Manson?"

Embarassing, to say the least. But what can you expect from a guy that can't even put two or more words together to make a cogent sentence. I don't know that we've ever had a "leader" that has a worse command of the english language. Do you ever watch the Daily Show? Stewart has examples almost every night. Even though its funny to watch, its also very troubling. How this guy ever was elected, I'll never know. Except that it really shows the current state of intelligence (or more precisely, the lack of it) in the US.

 

[moxdevil]

We get an edited version on CNN, though its on quite late.

My impression of 'middle' America (bollock me if i'm completely wrong) is that they would quite happily vote in a chimpanzee if they could be convinced that it had a 'special' relationship with god. (Arguably they have. Though i do an injustice to Chimpanzees!) :lol:

 

[mindido]

Mox,

I don't know if you get Comedy Central over there but thats the channel "The Daily Show" is on. If you get the channel, find out what time the show is on and watch it, its well worth while. It has the best take on american politics of any show that I'm aware of.

And yes, please don't insult the chimpanzees!