Wrestling 2005

[nekkid]

Well, I am truly going to miss Eddie. I can't believe HBK and Eddie never wrestled! That would have been a classic. It's weird how you always take someone extremely talented like Eddie, MIchael Jordan, or Wayne Gretzky for granted until they are gone (I honestly think those are close to fair comparisons).

Anyway I think its time to move on...

Here is my question to to all the wrestling fans on here whose opinions I respect...

What does WWE (or pro wrestling as a whole) need to do to have another "golden age" in your opinion?

Here's my 2 cents..

Hopefully TNA takes off and we have monday night wars 2...

WWE takes themselves WAY too seriously in my opinion. Eg, Kurt Angle, HHH, HBK, Vince, even Hardcore Holly usedd to be hilarious. Its almost as if they are told that they have to be taken 100% serious ALL the time. All the angles are taken serious. I mean, are they trying to convince us that the competition is real? It used to be fun, it used to be "must see tv". Since the end of the inVasion angle its been all serious with no fun. Along with the raunch factor of the late 90's humor is what brought WWE the high ratings. Whay did that stop?

Please advise...

 

[endymion]

Bring the two shows back together. The split was a bad idea that's getting worse.
Bring back hardcore matches, the old "24/7" rule of Crash Holly's reign period was fantastic.
Get new writers. Rock hired a guy who used to write for MTV (if I remember correctly, it may have been Saturday Night Live) and at his peak, he was hilarious.
Bring back long feuds. The new stories are generally too brief to build anything up. The old Taker/Foley feuds, Austin/Vince, HHH/Rock, Bret/HBK could keep going for months and months and people were still entertained. Now its all over in a few weeks.
Start some DECENT feuds. Cena vs. Orton (once his dad leaves) for a few months could be amazing. Benoit vs. Booker is interesting, I'm just wondering how long they'll let it go on for.
Retire the old guys. Instead of reliving their glory days, some guys should just be happy and move on. Case in point, Flair. He's a legend. He knows that. Now retire before you embarrass yourself.
WWF used to be about Attitude and fun. Now WWE is all about "Ruthless Aggression". Sure, we want that, but we want "Los Conquistadores" as well. Re-find the balance.
Get some cliques and tag teams together with personality. "Evolution" was one of the worse things I've ever had to watch, just painful. Whatever happened to DX, NWO, Hardy Boyz, Dudley Boyz, Brothers of Destruction, Edge & Christian, The Corportation, and the APA? Now we have M.N.M. What the hell is that crap?
That's my theory, and I'm sticking to it.

 

[IHateHonda]

First Id like to address the loss of Eddie. You will be truly missed. Thank you Eddie for all you dedication and hard work in wrestling.
*Heaven has a new World Heavyweight Champion*

The rosters do need to be brought back together. The fans are really digging the "Survivor Series" run-ins that have been happening. I think, well I hope Vince will see how its working and merge the two shows again. This is the only way things will be interesting again. The only problem with that is unifying the belts. I like the idea of two champions going one on one, but I also like how each show has its own champ. I dont want to see the U.S. Title unified with the I.C. belt again.

I can't stand T.N.A. I tried watching it in its first few weeks on Spike, but I just cant get into it. It was really boring and the gimmicks are lame. Some of the moves where cool, but that was it. I saw nothing funny going on, or nothing that really grabbed my attention. Rhyno as champion? Being a fan of WWE, its just not beleivable to me. Yes WWE didnt use Rhyno right, but now that that has happened and the WWE released him, I just cannot see him as a heavywieght chmpion. It makes TNA look like a minor league company ( which it pretty much is) Same thing with Double J and if Christian does anything there, tho I want christian to win something, WWE screwed him over bigtime.

I am stoked, I got ring side seats to both Raw and Smackdown on december 26/27. I really hope Cena is still champ then, would be cool to see him again live ( saw him at a house show a few months ago). Im trying to think up some cool signs..

 

[phynix]

There is definatly a need for something new, I was lucky enough to join in with wrestling back in late 99' so I saw the McMahon Helmsley Era and the best tag team matches ever with the likes of TLC being brought in as well. This was also the last time that a 'street fight' was taken seriously with HHH Vs Cactus Jack at Rumble 00' since then this type of match has become mundane as has the Hell in a Cell which is now a yearly event rather than a way to end the best fueds of the moment like it was when it first came about.
I agree with those that have stated that the split needs to end its getting old as is Cena (sorry Honda), the fans are turning on him but vince still wants him with the belt!!!!!!!! Dam it Vince give it to Kurt I'm begging you!!

 

[nekkid]

Wow, you guys brought up some interesting points.

For one I agree that there should not be a roster split. But they almost have to because of the amount of wrestlers. The WWE became 3 companies in 2000-2001. ECW and WCW became WWE so there were WAY too many wrestlers. There isn't enough tv time to showcase all the talent. I think (and hope) that TNA will start to really gain ground with disgruntled WWE workers and the WWE will not have the problem with too many workers and become one show again.

Yes, phynix tag-team wrestling in WWE is aweful. That definately needs to be rejuvinated somehow.

endymion, I agree that the lack of stables has hurt as well. I was excited when evolution came along, I was like "cool, maybe a new dx type of thing" but no it ended up being lame. The need a cool stable for both shows.

The writing is the most important, there is nothing new and exciting on either show.

 

[bafootball48]

does anyone have know anythign about jim ross bein fired on raw=

 

[cripplersucka]

I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY THAT VINCE MCMAHON REALLY IS THE DEVIL.

I mean to use the death of eddy as a prop in your tv show is sick, having the big show spit on his low rider is sick, having the undertaker blow up in that same low rider is sick and then the announcers screaming crap about rising from the dead is just horseshit.

The man died 2 weeks ago, 2 fucking weeks!!!!

God what his family must be thinking right now

 

[IHateHonda]

Its a business, and Vince.. wuddya expect? Vince paid his respects and had 2 tribute shows which were really good. I miss Eddie as much as the next fan and I hate to say this but Its time to move on. Its A show, it needs ratings, the storylines have to keep going. When hasnt Vinnie Mac been not controversial?

 

[nekkid]

I agree with Honda. I was very surprised when people started being offended by the show. I watched it and didn't think twice about anything. When I went to my wrestling website I was shocked that fans and wrestlers were pissed.

Rising from the dead? How many times has the Undertaker risin from the dead? 100? So what he blew up in eddie's car? big deal, eddie died with a toothbrush in his mouth in a bathroom of a hotel from a heart attack not a car accident! The Big show spitting on it? SO WHAT!! He ws in a feud with rey who drove it out there. I had to do with rey not eddie.

I might be crazy but I dont think what Vince did was controversial at all. Its funny the rumors are that many are pissed at rey for taking part in the angle (that work for wwe) but its split 50/50 in the wwe's locker room.

 

[Chuck67]

Have been busy for a few weeks but i agree with many here
on the loss of Eddie Guerrero and it was in poor taste (again!)
for WWE to use that as a 'prop' for the Undertaker/ Orton feud.
Such is life in the WWE. Christian moving to TNA was a good move
and i hope TNA continues to get top talent that the WWE overlooks.

i hear Jim Ross is in great spirits and remains at peace with
the idea that he may never host another wrestling show.
The fact that he thought he might have cancer, only to have
find out his tumor was benign, put the Raw gig in perspective quickly.

Meanwhile, Joey Styles was signed to a five-year contract to be the
lead voice of Raw. WWE released Christy Hemme this morning which
is pretty suprising considering how well she's been doing.

-C

 

[mcfly26]

WWE releases Christy Hemme
December 5, 2005


WWE and Diva Christy Hemme have come to terms on her release. WWE.com will have more details as they become available.



WHY HAVE THEY LET THIS HAPPEN?

best be going to see her someplace else, she was fuckin hot. END OF

 

[nekkid]

The Christy Hemme thing makes no sence at all. They spent so much time and money with her. She was improving rapidly also. Why would they do this? Maybe she wanted out. That might make some sence, I guess we will see.

 

[Japanese Dude]

Well I guess Monday will be the last time I see the "Japanese Dude" Tajiri. Oh well they only jobbed him out anyway. Maybe its just me but when the hell did the Mcmahn's (did I spell tha right?) become face's again? I mean it was like what 2 month's or so since they where one of the biggest heels in firing JR and getting back together as a family. Ehh so much for storyline continuality. Cena needs to turn heel or drop the strap cause its getting ridiculous how much he's getting boo'ed. They need to strip Flair of the belt if he's gonna be off T.V. for a while. Give the mid-carders something to feud over.

"Now we have M.N.M. What the hell is that crap?"

Aww man MNM is awesome. And Melina is the hottest piece of ass to hit wrestling since Sunny was number 1.

 

[The_Thief]

What was up with that ref shooting himself last night on the ppv?? I figure thats what he did when the camera went off to the side? Anybody know?

 

[Chuck67]

WWE casually presenting a suicide storyline to establish the morbid
nature of the Hell in a Cell match. The message? Just another day.
Just another death. Just another member of the "WWE family" who
couldn't handle life without the loving embrace of the company.

Oh yeah, and back to the ring because, as we all know, the show
must go on. *sigh*

Not exactly a smart storyline, even without Eddie Guerrero tragic
death 5 weeks ago. It speaks to the incredible tone deafness of 60 year old,
whacked out Vince McMahon, and the fact that no one in WWE has the
balls to challenge him or even protect him from his own bad instincts.

-C

 

[nekkid]

I missed that PPV chuck. What exactly happened...

 

[Chuck67]

Josh Matthews interviewed the owner of the Friendly Tap, former WWE ref Tim White, who drank beer and did shots, but didn't look very friendly. Josh asked him how his shoulder is doing. White took another swig of beer and then began to break down. They went to footage of White getting thrown into the side of the Hell in a Cell in 2002 and it ending his ref career. White couldn't get himself to answer Josh's questions about life after Hell in a Cell. He finally spoke: "Hell in a Cell ruined my life. I've been in pain for over two years and took it out on everyone I know. My wife left me. My friends are all gone. I got nothin'. You know what pain is? I don't think you do." He talked about all kinds of medical problems he's having, including IBS, irritable bowel syndrome. "I got everything there is and nothing to live for," he said. "Everything is gone. Get away from me." Josh said, "On behalf of everybody in WWE, we'd like to wish you a very white Christmas." White took out a rifle. White cocked the gun and walked off. Then Josh begged him not to do it. The rifle then fired. Josh jerked his head away and couldn't look. The first suicide on WWE PPV history. The crowd seemed mostly disinterested, and there were a few boos. It's that groaner moment where WWE takes things a step too far.

-C

 

[Spastic Camel]

Didn't see the Tim White segment you mentioned - but the WWE seem to really be testing the boundries lately

for example ...

1. Eddie Gurreros passing had pretty disrespectful story-line spin-offs
2. The Tim White Suicide reference
3. And just recently The Melina v Batista r@p3 allegation storyline.
4. Vince's parody of JR's colon surgery

just to name a few

Anyone else think this is just bad for Wrestling? - or is nothing off Limits?

Having said that tho' WWE has done some good things, I am not American, but even i felt proud watching the tribute to the Troops show

I also enjoyed Carlito v Victoria this week.

 

[nekkid]

Vince has done a lot of crazy shit in the past. But the things that he did in the late 90's that pushed the envelope equaled ratings (the attitude era). So to say its bad for wrestling IMO is tough to say.

If Vince didn't push the envelope there might not be a WWE today. The difference is that when Vince raised the bar in the past most of the time when he did it, it was shocking and relevant to a storyline most of the time. Now it seems to be neither.

I think that the WWE needs to get its sense of humor back. The show used to be hilarious but now its just kind of bland. (Especially SMACKDOWN!)

 

[Chuck67]

Vince is at his best when there's competition- The best
of the 'Attitude Era' happened when WCW started beating
Vince in the ratings with Nitro. Now he's trying to 're-invent'
the times but he's overdoing it with distasteful storylines
or comments. That's why The Rock and Stone Cold aren't
too pleased to be associated with the company these days.

-C