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"however we cannot make assumptions based on HISTORY. i thought we were talking about facts and whats really happening?"
There is an old saying, "Those that do not remember the past are doomed to repeat it" (or something like that). Stuff like this has happened many times before so the actions of human beings are completely predictable given a similar situation.
"does anyone black or white need new shoes and a plasma TV"
The plasma TV? Absolutely not, they should be shot as a looter. But the shoes bring up an interesting point. I was watching one of the news channels last night and a female reporter was reporting on the looting. She actually went up to a few people that were "looting" a store for shoes and when she asked them why, one of the guys lifted his foot from the water and showed that he had no shoes. He had to leave his home so fast that all he left with were the clothes on his back. Is that looting? I dare to say that, given the same circumstances, all of us would do the same. Before seeing that report I would have agreed with you on the shoes, but I don't completely agree now. I guess it would depend on the context.
"you are just want to disagree with what anyone says, even those of us that agree with you. your last post has in no way proved that The whitehouse or federal govt were slow because of racism. thats what you are trying to prove right?"
Can I prove racism was behind the gov't's slow response? No, of course not. Nobody can. But those of us that are familiar with the subject have to wonder. There have been many other disasters that have happened recently, and not only in the US. The first thing that any competant administrator should do in such a situation is send in the troops because that is how you ensure stability. Nothing else can go forward without it. Why didn't that happen? And no, I'm not saying it was the only reason, but it did play a part.
"the feds are slow because the govt is SLOW and all the BS processes involved"
If you'll remember correctly, right after 9/11, all States were ordered by the Feds to identify and analyze threats and were given millions of dollars to try and alleviate those threats. Louisiana (and the Feds) recognized during those assessments that one of the top three threats within the entire US is just what we are seeing today. They knew this was coming, they just didn't know the exact date! Now move forward to a week ago yesterday (Saturday). Katrina was now a Cat 5 in the Gulf and was headed for N.O. People were already leaving. What were the feds and State doing? I don't know. But it certainly appears they weren't doing what they should have been.
I've been hearing today about the battle between the feds and State. This should prove interesting to watch and see what happens. And I am familiar with the existing protocols (I just tried to explain them in the other thread to someone from outside the US).
"the truth is the govt is fucked. it takes too long to get help where it is needed. partisian politics are EVERYWHERE and no one can agree how to handle anything on a normal day, let alone a disaster."
I agree here with you 100%. If this is the best the gov't can do, almost four years to the day after 9/11, we're screwed. What happened to all that money that Louisiana and the feds spent to prepare for this day? It appears to me that it must have gone into someones pocket, and not where it was intended. Which brings up another point. What happened to all the rest of the money that went to the rest of the States? If it was spent similarly, all of us have been swindled.
"why are you so defensive? no one is attacking you, i AGREE with you."
One! I'm not defensive at all. If it has seemed so, I am sorry and I apologize. But this is a VERY important time and argument. People need to understand what is going on and how it will affect them. I listen to what these pols and bureaucrats are saying, as all of us should, and they're going to take us right down the same road, smack into disaster again. Unless we stop them, no one else will.
People working together? I agree 100%. But my fear is, again, that the special interests will win the day and, sooner or later, we'll be going through this again. Unless WE THE PEOPLE, stop it.
"however we cannot make assumptions based on HISTORY. i thought we were talking about facts and whats really happening?"
There is an old saying, "Those that do not remember the past are doomed to repeat it" (or something like that). Stuff like this has happened many times before so the actions of human beings are completely predictable given a similar situation.
"does anyone black or white need new shoes and a plasma TV"
The plasma TV? Absolutely not, they should be shot as a looter. But the shoes bring up an interesting point. I was watching one of the news channels last night and a female reporter was reporting on the looting. She actually went up to a few people that were "looting" a store for shoes and when she asked them why, one of the guys lifted his foot from the water and showed that he had no shoes. He had to leave his home so fast that all he left with were the clothes on his back. Is that looting? I dare to say that, given the same circumstances, all of us would do the same. Before seeing that report I would have agreed with you on the shoes, but I don't completely agree now. I guess it would depend on the context.
"you are just want to disagree with what anyone says, even those of us that agree with you. your last post has in no way proved that The whitehouse or federal govt were slow because of racism. thats what you are trying to prove right?"
Can I prove racism was behind the gov't's slow response? No, of course not. Nobody can. But those of us that are familiar with the subject have to wonder. There have been many other disasters that have happened recently, and not only in the US. The first thing that any competant administrator should do in such a situation is send in the troops because that is how you ensure stability. Nothing else can go forward without it. Why didn't that happen? And no, I'm not saying it was the only reason, but it did play a part.
"the feds are slow because the govt is SLOW and all the BS processes involved"
If you'll remember correctly, right after 9/11, all States were ordered by the Feds to identify and analyze threats and were given millions of dollars to try and alleviate those threats. Louisiana (and the Feds) recognized during those assessments that one of the top three threats within the entire US is just what we are seeing today. They knew this was coming, they just didn't know the exact date! Now move forward to a week ago yesterday (Saturday). Katrina was now a Cat 5 in the Gulf and was headed for N.O. People were already leaving. What were the feds and State doing? I don't know. But it certainly appears they weren't doing what they should have been.
I've been hearing today about the battle between the feds and State. This should prove interesting to watch and see what happens. And I am familiar with the existing protocols (I just tried to explain them in the other thread to someone from outside the US).
"the truth is the govt is fucked. it takes too long to get help where it is needed. partisian politics are EVERYWHERE and no one can agree how to handle anything on a normal day, let alone a disaster."
I agree here with you 100%. If this is the best the gov't can do, almost four years to the day after 9/11, we're screwed. What happened to all that money that Louisiana and the feds spent to prepare for this day? It appears to me that it must have gone into someones pocket, and not where it was intended. Which brings up another point. What happened to all the rest of the money that went to the rest of the States? If it was spent similarly, all of us have been swindled.
"why are you so defensive? no one is attacking you, i AGREE with you."
One! I'm not defensive at all. If it has seemed so, I am sorry and I apologize. But this is a VERY important time and argument. People need to understand what is going on and how it will affect them. I listen to what these pols and bureaucrats are saying, as all of us should, and they're going to take us right down the same road, smack into disaster again. Unless we stop them, no one else will.
People working together? I agree 100%. But my fear is, again, that the special interests will win the day and, sooner or later, we'll be going through this again. Unless WE THE PEOPLE, stop it.